Out of State Utah CFP instructors to be outlawed

[netentity]

There is a bill in the Utah legislature to outlaw out of State instructors. As I'm sure many of you know the Utah CFP is one of the more valuable States to have especially if you travel. If you are or are considering getting your Utah CFP instructor certification I would reconsider until after the Utah legislative session is over. I have been informed by Clark Aposhian that it is in my best interest not to renew until after the Utah legislative session is over as I may be "wasting my time."

Keep in mind that the bill was introduced and sponsored by Curtis Oda who himself is a resident UT CFP instructor. This bill will have a negative affect on interstate CCW as it will make the UT CFP more difficult to obtain.

I have also heard speculation that it will create a ripple effect of putting many out of State and mobile instructors out of business who are complying with Utah BCI's curriculum requirements as the bulk of their business is providing UT CFP instruction.

See the Salt Lake City Tribune (http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_11667010) for the article.

I do not believe the claims in the article pertaining to the "integrity of the Utah CFP" and losing States as Florida with a much more liberal training requirement than Utah is not having those issues of States being removed from their reciprocity list.

[Bman505]

Thanks for the heads up. If the National Right to Carry Bill passes, we would not have to worry about this as much. It is still good to know though.
Also, Welcome to the site. We are glad to have you. Stop by the newbie section and introduce yourself. Can't wait to meet you.

[AussieRogue]

Hell I better get mine quick because in New Mexico you have to be a US citizen to get a CCW :(

[Descreet38]

This email just went from me to Ms. Mcfarland at the Salt Lake Tribune.



Hi Sheena,

First I would like to say that I am not a non-resident permit holder nor a non resident instructor. I am a moderator on the site www.concealcarrychat.com (http://www.concealcarrychat.com/)

I read your article and in the way it was written you seem to be the type person who would cover all the facts in what is written. I appreciate journalists who do their duty as such.

I have a question I would like to pose to the people who support eliminating out of state concealed firearm instructors.

Please take a moment to consider the following:

According to your article it was stated that Utah has about 1,000 instructors, and two-thirds of them aren't Utahans, said Lt. Doug Anderson, program manager at the Bureau of Criminal Identification, which oversees the permit. He estimates complaints at between 20 and 30, mostly about out-of-state instructors.

Unless my math instructors failed me that is about 666 non resident instructors and there is 20 to 30 complaints or about .045% My first question would be - how many resident instructor complaints have there been and what would that percentage be in comparison to the non-resident? And if the total is between 20 and 30 and they are mostly non-resident - well what is the actual numbers? That would probably lower the percentage even more.

Now compare the number of traffic fatalities in your state using percentage by capita vs. the number in another state. Let say that MN did this comparison and determined that UT had more traffic fatalities per thousand population than in MN so there MUST be a problem in the driver instructors in UT. NO problem - lets just not recognize the instruction from UT so that will mean we no longer recognize a Utah drivers license in the state of Minnesota.

I know this is a huge stretch of the imagination but I appeal to you as the media in the state of Utah to print the facts on both sides of this issue. To me it was interesting that none of the people listed in your article brought up or discussed how many resident instructor complaints there had been.

Respectfully,

XXX XXXXX (yes, I put my real name in the email)
Minnesota

[Bman505]

Dez,
Very valid point. Nice job. I am glad you looked into it a little more than I did.

[Descreet38]

Follow-up to the above.

Needless to say I have received no reply from Ms. Mcfarland. Sure glad I didn't hold my breath while waiting.

[Bman505]

Hey Richard, Can you certify people for a Utah Conceal Permit? Like as part of the class.

[chlinstructor]

I think that you all are missing the point, Utah out of state instructors are "poaching" (teaching in another state) the people of other states are getting their permits from Utah and not their home states thinking the course is cheaper which it is not. The Utah out of state course didn't require taking a test and firing on the range which most states require for their state licenses.

Here is what Utah did,

PLEASE NOTE: Effective May 10, 2011, Utah will not issue a permit to a non-resident who does not also have a permit from their home state. A Texas resident MUST have a Texas CHL to get a non-resident Utah CFP. Effective January 1, 2012, you will not be able to renew a Utah non-resident permit unless you have a permit from your state of
residence.

[Bman505]

That is good information. Thank you for sharing that and welcome to the site by the way!