Descreet38
02-28-2009, 09:31 PM
My wife's niece's husband is a Deputy Sherriff here in MN. He has never had anything good to say about Beretta and we have has several "friendly" discussions as to these two firearms.
Last Tuesday he and our niece were over and we again discussed the reliability and accuracy of the two firearms. Our niece suggested we go to the range and settle this for the sake of finding something else to discuss we are around each other.
WELL today was that day. We decided on a two-fold approach to settle our disagreements.
1. Accuracy test.
- 20 targets each. We agreed to use NRA B-6 50 standard targets as follows:
- 5 at 10, 5 at 15, 5 at 25, and 5 at 50.
- Time limit of 2 minutes per target, 10 shots per target, and we could throw out the three worst on each target.
- Possible Scoring using best 7 for each target of course was 1,400
Actual scores:
- Deputy Sherriff 1080 and that isnt bad at all
- Dez 1320 and yes I had to drop three from each target.
His slowest target was 1 minute 27 seconds
His fastest target was 23.67 seconds
My slowest 27.34 seconds
My fastest 9.28 seconds
2. Endurance test. Well the deputy wanted to clean his Glock so I went outside and smoked a couple of cigarettes. Came back in and he was just about ready to go so we decided on the following.
- Our wives agreed to reload magazines.
- All ammunition is to be at our choosing
- We would use one full size LEO target. Firing time not to exceed 30 seconds per magazine.
- We would shoot until we experienced a malfunction. If malfunction was FTL or FTF due to ammo we would rack, check and continue. If failure was due to weapon we would investigate and determine next steps.
- No cleaning of firearm after we begin.
RESULTS
Glock
Round 572 Glock jammed. Was cleared and continued.
Round 1758 Glock failed to extract. Cleared and continued
Round 2308 Glock failed to fire. Factory round but light impression in primer. Cleared and filed OK continued
Round 3496 Glock failed to allow slide to go all the way into battery and would not fire. Cycled a couple of times and slide went into battery.
Round 3768 Glock failed to go into battery for 5 consecutive times and owner stated OK I guess Im done until I clean this thing.
Beretta
- Round 1729 I experienced a failure of slide to lock back on last round. New mag of ammo, racked and continued to fire.
- Round 3922 FTF, primer indented very well but a no go.
- Round 5119 FTE slide a little sluggish but continued to fire.
- Round 5287 Slide would return to battery. Cycle twice and continued.
- Round 5434 Slide wouldnt return to battery Finally too dirty.
We were on the range at 9am this morning and shot almost no-stop until 5pm other than a short break for lunch.
The most interesting part of this also dealt with the ammo choice. He shot almost all Federal and my choice was 100 % my reloads.
Needless to say, we just home from the Outback, and YES he bought dinner and drinks for all four of us AND guns were not discussed at all after we left the range but several times our wives commented on us still moving our wrists around. Yes it is sore.
The moral and just my humble opinion. This proves that both firearms are reliable and also is why the US Military carries a Beretta. As far as the Glock it is a very fine weapon and even though I dont own one. If I needed to place the trust into one to save my life I could and would. It performed very well. I actually expected it to fail a whole lot earlier than it did.
Bottom Line - what a fun day but now I sure have some reloading to do. :)
Last Tuesday he and our niece were over and we again discussed the reliability and accuracy of the two firearms. Our niece suggested we go to the range and settle this for the sake of finding something else to discuss we are around each other.
WELL today was that day. We decided on a two-fold approach to settle our disagreements.
1. Accuracy test.
- 20 targets each. We agreed to use NRA B-6 50 standard targets as follows:
- 5 at 10, 5 at 15, 5 at 25, and 5 at 50.
- Time limit of 2 minutes per target, 10 shots per target, and we could throw out the three worst on each target.
- Possible Scoring using best 7 for each target of course was 1,400
Actual scores:
- Deputy Sherriff 1080 and that isnt bad at all
- Dez 1320 and yes I had to drop three from each target.
His slowest target was 1 minute 27 seconds
His fastest target was 23.67 seconds
My slowest 27.34 seconds
My fastest 9.28 seconds
2. Endurance test. Well the deputy wanted to clean his Glock so I went outside and smoked a couple of cigarettes. Came back in and he was just about ready to go so we decided on the following.
- Our wives agreed to reload magazines.
- All ammunition is to be at our choosing
- We would use one full size LEO target. Firing time not to exceed 30 seconds per magazine.
- We would shoot until we experienced a malfunction. If malfunction was FTL or FTF due to ammo we would rack, check and continue. If failure was due to weapon we would investigate and determine next steps.
- No cleaning of firearm after we begin.
RESULTS
Glock
Round 572 Glock jammed. Was cleared and continued.
Round 1758 Glock failed to extract. Cleared and continued
Round 2308 Glock failed to fire. Factory round but light impression in primer. Cleared and filed OK continued
Round 3496 Glock failed to allow slide to go all the way into battery and would not fire. Cycled a couple of times and slide went into battery.
Round 3768 Glock failed to go into battery for 5 consecutive times and owner stated OK I guess Im done until I clean this thing.
Beretta
- Round 1729 I experienced a failure of slide to lock back on last round. New mag of ammo, racked and continued to fire.
- Round 3922 FTF, primer indented very well but a no go.
- Round 5119 FTE slide a little sluggish but continued to fire.
- Round 5287 Slide would return to battery. Cycle twice and continued.
- Round 5434 Slide wouldnt return to battery Finally too dirty.
We were on the range at 9am this morning and shot almost no-stop until 5pm other than a short break for lunch.
The most interesting part of this also dealt with the ammo choice. He shot almost all Federal and my choice was 100 % my reloads.
Needless to say, we just home from the Outback, and YES he bought dinner and drinks for all four of us AND guns were not discussed at all after we left the range but several times our wives commented on us still moving our wrists around. Yes it is sore.
The moral and just my humble opinion. This proves that both firearms are reliable and also is why the US Military carries a Beretta. As far as the Glock it is a very fine weapon and even though I dont own one. If I needed to place the trust into one to save my life I could and would. It performed very well. I actually expected it to fail a whole lot earlier than it did.
Bottom Line - what a fun day but now I sure have some reloading to do. :)