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Bman505
06-22-2009, 05:46 PM
In Border States, BATFE Asks: "May We See Your Guns?"

Friday, June 19, 2009

NRA-ILA has recently received several calls from NRA members in border states who have been visited or called by agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. In some cases, agents have asked to enter these people's homes, and requested serial numbers of all firearms the members possess.

In each case, the agents were making inquiries based on the number of firearms these NRA members had recently bought, and in some cases the agents said they were asking because the members had bought types of guns that are frequently recovered in Mexico.

This kind of questioning may or may not be part of a legitimate criminal investigation. For example, when BATFE traces a gun seized after use in a crime, manufacturers' and dealers' records will normally lead to the first retail buyer of that gun, and investigators will have to interview the buyer to find out how the gun ended up in criminal hands. But in other cases, the questioning may simply be based on information in dealers' records, with agents trying to "profile" potentially suspicious purchases.

On the other hand, some of the agents have used heavy-handed tactics. One reportedly demanded that a gun owner return home early from a business trip, while another threatened to "report" an NRA member as "refusing to cooperate." That kind of behavior is outrageous and unprofessional.

Whether agents act appropriately or not, concerned gun owners should remember that all constitutional protections apply. Answering questions in this type of investigation is generally an individual choice. Most importantly, there are only a few relatively rare exceptions to the general Fourth Amendment requirement that law enforcement officials need a warrant to enter a home without the residents' consent. There is nothing wrong with politely, but firmly, asserting your rights.

If BATFE contacts you and you have any question about how to respond, you may want to consult a local attorney. NRA members may also call NRA-ILA's Office of Legislative Counsel at (703) 267-1161 for further information. Whether contacting a local attorney or NRA, be sure to provide as many details as possible, including the date, time, and location, agent's name, and specific questions asked.

Grampa
06-22-2009, 07:11 PM
Has this happened to anyone locally?

Bman505
06-22-2009, 07:35 PM
Not that I am aware of.

Chuck
06-22-2009, 08:12 PM
This has happened locally before. It was part of an investigation into guns being smuggled south of the border.
In 1992 or 1993 BATF (before the E) sent a team of agents and Kelly girls to the local gunshops. I was present in one shop when they arrived and turned the sign on the front door to "closed" and told me and the other customer to leave. I heard all about it from the other shop owner a day after his visit.
The agents inspected the books and had the Kelly girls transcribe the 4473 forms to a list. Those agents then visited at least two persons I know and questioned them about purchasing MAK-90's. The agents asked to see the guns. Both persons complied and the agents made note of the serial numbers.
The explanation the agents gave to the gun dealers and both persons I know was a large number of those rifles were being smuggled to Mexico and they were trying to stop the gun running. The recent attention to gun running is just a media fad. Smuggling like that has been going on since there was a border.

Jizzle
06-22-2009, 09:38 PM
nanananananana nanananananana Batmen, Batmen.

gotta love when you have to invent work for yourself to justify your own existence.

Bman505
06-25-2009, 12:13 PM
Hahah, Nice Jizzle

Grampa
06-25-2009, 02:28 PM
:eek: I didn't know he could sing.....make it stop!!!:D

Jizzle
06-25-2009, 04:16 PM
the Batmen... guess how many agents they have assigned to them? and guess what?

guns.
alcohol.
tobacco.
explosives.

ARE ALL LEGAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so my question is... what exactly do the spend their yearly budget on? i doubt they spend it on their yearly picnic, you take all the above mentioned items out of it and that's about the worst picnic ever.