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Bman505
10-23-2009, 11:03 AM
Friday, October 23, 2009

Congratulations!

You have stymied the shady tactics used by Barack Obama, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi to try to pass the ObamaCare bill and -- in the opening salvo of the battle -- you blew them out of the water.

Gun Owners won a huge vote Wednesday in the Senate.

As you remember, the ObamaCare bill would dump your gun-related health data into a federal database. It would also put your (government mandated) insurance at risk if you keep a loaded gun for self-defense.

But there was a problem: The anti-gun health bills cost too much, and Obama had promised to pass a bill which would not raise the deficit by "one penny."

So what Obama, Reid, and Pelosi did was to try to pass a separate bill (S. 1776) which would fund the anti-gun ObamaCare bill by raising the deficit another $247 billion dollars.

But, they would argue, because S. 1776 was a "separate bill," the ObamaCare bill itself would not raise the deficit.

In a Senate not known for morality, this rose to a level of sleaze and corruption that embarrassed many Democrats, in addition to all Republicans.

With gun owners responding vigorously to our alerts on this issue, the motion to invoke "cloture" (or shut off debate) on the bill failed by a 47-53 vote -- 13 votes short of the 60 votes the anti-gun socialists needed.

The victory on S. 1776 means that it will be much harder for Obama, Reid and Pelosi to pick up the somewhat fiscally-minded Blue Dog Democrats they so desperately need to get their anti-gun ObamaCare legislation passed.

So congratulations! It is true that this is only the first battle... but, if we continue battering Congress as we have, it will be the first of many victories.

To see the official listing of how each Senator voted, you can go to http://tinyurl.com/ykb6kjb (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=1&vote=00325).

But in the meantime, pat yourself on the back for a job well done... and have a great weekend!

sinclair
10-23-2009, 05:41 PM
As you remember, the ObamaCare bill would dump your gun-related health data into a federal database.

First I have heard about the health care and gun legislation. What was the source of this? That is a profound relationship if true, and needs drastic action on the part of every gun owner.

sinclair
10-23-2009, 05:47 PM
Never mind. I may just have been asleep. Health care and gun legislation is something I just did not associate.

Reading this now:

http://patricksperry.wordpress.com/2009/10/03/how-much-will-the-anti-gun-obamacare-bill-cost%E2%80%8F/

Packing247
11-12-2009, 04:21 PM
First I have heard about the health care and gun legislation. What was the source of this? That is a profound relationship if true, and needs drastic action on the part of every gun owner.

I am FAR from an expert on this subject...but this is how I understand it:

This is the beginning to the end of our freedoms as American's. The goal is to make every person "government dependent" and take away our free choice.

If Obamacare gets passed, we all will be forced to participate. You cant opt out.

The link to guns (and other issues) is this.....the government pays (with your tax dollars) a group, like the CDC or other organization to conduct a study. The study concludes that the possession of firearms is a health hazard. Legislation is passed to save the tax payer money. Whalaa...guns are banned do to a health issue.

Colt 45
11-12-2009, 05:13 PM
Well said Packing...and it doesn't seem to matter that Congress has no Constitutional authority to take over the health care system.

I read today that Obama's pick to head OSHA is another anti-gunner, who could ban weapons in the workplace and workplace parking lots because they are a hazard.

Max

I am FAR from an expert on this subject...but this is how I understand it:

This is the beginning to the end of our freedoms as American's. The goal is to make every person "government dependent" and take away our free choice.

If Obamacare gets passed, we all will be forced to participate. You cant opt out.

The link to guns (and other issues) is this.....the government pays (with your tax dollars) a group, like the CDC or other organization to conduct a study. The study concludes that the possession of firearms is a health hazard. Legislation is passed to save the tax payer money. Whalaa...guns are banned do to a health issue.

Packing247
11-12-2009, 06:59 PM
Well said Packing...and it doesn't seem to matter that Congress has no Constitutional authority to take over the health care system.

I read today that Obama's pick to head OSHA is another anti-gunner, who could ban weapons in the workplace and workplace parking lots because they are a hazard.

Max

If this gets passed...the slippery slope will go vertical! If you think about it, everything in your life can be considered a health hazard and is subject to being banned (i.e. fast cars, fast food, certain family pets etc, etc, etc). Even too much time on your home computer!

If this gets passed, government has the perfect vehicle to control every aspect of your life!

Colt 45
11-12-2009, 09:57 PM
Yeah, eventually banned but not before being taxed to death!

Max

If this gets passed...the slippery slope will go vertical! If you think about it, everything in your life can be considered a health hazard and is subject to being banned (i.e. fast cars, fast food, certain family pets etc, etc, etc). Even too much time on your home computer!

If this gets passed, government has the perfect vehicle to control every aspect of your life!