Open Carrying

[Bman505]

For those of you who carry openly, do you feel like people have starring problems?:mad:

[Grampa]

It used to not be a big thing but as New Mexico is filling up with people not from around here bringing their notions with them, well, you get the idea. If it was illegal where they came from, it must be illegal here too. I don't want to get off on a rant but it makes me mad when they want to make us conform to their way of doing things when they are the ones who moved here.:mad:

[Bman505]

Damn Californians!! :mad:

[Grampa]

and New Yorkers and Chicagoans and Phillies and New Jerseyians and Bostonians and and and

[jniles]

Funny but most states allow open carry of some sort. Only six that I know about do not allow carry. Sorry to say OK is one of those goofy six that prohibit. TX, AR, SC, FL and NY are the rest. DC too, but who cares. Would be nice to be able to pack open when working in the field or hunting. Tis a travesty that four leaders in the concealed carry field, TX, OK, AR and FL prohibit Constitutional right.

Later,

John

[Bman505]

Texas has some funky laws about weapons. The do have one law that I wish NM would adopt. I think it is called the 51 Law. What is defined as carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol is a place like Friday’s or Red Lobster. Where 51% or better of there sales are food. This does not mean a bar or the bar area of a restaurant. Handgunlaw.us believes you should never consume alcohol when carrying your firearm. In some states it is illegal to take even one drink while carrying a firearm.

[bang bang]

I live in a state with a bunch of Mormons. Nothing wrong with that, They are great people. You stand out like a sore thumb here if you are walking around with a firearm on your side for everyone to see.

[GunJunkie]

Texas has some funky laws about weapons. The do have one law that I wish NM would adopt. I think it is called the 51 Law. What is defined as carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol is a place like Friday’s or Red Lobster. Where 51% or better of there sales are food. This does not mean a bar or the bar area of a restaurant. Handgunlaw.us believes you should never consume alcohol when carrying your firearm. In some states it is illegal to take even one drink while carrying a firearm.

This law is only talking about 51% of the sales of the establishment being alcohol. But it is one of the best laws about conceal carrying in Texas.

[Bman505]

Very true. I wish we had this law here in New Mexico.

[Big Mike .45acp]

Very true. I wish we had this law here in New Mexico.

Is you law in NM no open carry, or no carry at all in a restaurant? Here in georgia we can carry in a restaurant that serves, just cant drink.

[rtuck77]

In tn it is open carry

[Bman505]

In New Mexico you can open carry, you can't open or conceal carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol. Period, whether you drink or not.

Is you law in NM no open carry, or no carry at all in a restaurant? Here in georgia we can carry in a restaurant that serves, just cant drink.

[Colt 45]

Yeah I wish New Mexico had that law.

Max

Texas has some funky laws about weapons. The do have one law that I wish NM would adopt. I think it is called the 51 Law. What is defined as carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol is a place like Friday’s or Red Lobster. Where 51% or better of there sales are food. This does not mean a bar or the bar area of a restaurant. Handgunlaw.us believes you should never consume alcohol when carrying your firearm. In some states it is illegal to take even one drink while carrying a firearm.

[Grampa]

Here in New Mexico, if you've been drinking and have a firearm in your possession, that's negligent use of a firearm. It get you in jail and your gun confiscated.

[Colt 45]

I know that is true, but we sometimes go to restaurants that serve alcohol. My wife and I don't drink.

Max

Here in New Mexico, if you've been drinking and have a firearm in your possession, that's negligent use of a firearm. It get you in jail and your gun confiscated.

[Descreet38]

Minnesota is actual a "Permit to carry Pistol". There is no difference in concealed or open according to the law BUT I beg to differ. I will guarantee that in this state when the call comes in "man with gun" you are going to get stopped and at a minimum will be read the riot act.

My personal belief is concealed at all times. Why would anyone want the BG's to know you have a weapon. Just gives the the opportunity to shoot you from a distance and now they have two (or more) guns.

Of course this is only a personal opinion and I do not mean to be critical of anyone else. Growing up in SW Oklahoma I was always one of those with the prized rifle and shotgun hanging across the rear window in my pik-um-up-truk. :)

[Bman505]

Of course this is only a personal opinion and I do not mean to be critical of anyone else. Growing up in SW Oklahoma IO was always one of thos with the prized rifle and shotgun hanging across the rear windo in my pik-um-up-truk. :)

What part of Oklahoma? I have a lot of family in the Durant area.

[Grampa]

Yeah, used to be a given for a truck to have a rifle rack, what the hell happened? :rolleyes:


A balanced diet mean a cookie in each hand. :cool:

[Descreet38]

Conceived in Dublin, born and raised in Lawton Oklahoma. Drafted at 18 and home became where I hung my hat for a little over 27+ years

[AussieRogue]

I opened carried for the first time on Sunday and I felt like everyone was watching me. But noone said anything to me the reason I open carry is that in New Mexico if you are not a US citizen you can not get a NM CCW. But I'm going to get around that by getting a Utah non Resident CCW :D

[Bman505]

But I'm going to get around that by getting a Utah non Resident CCW :D

Nice thinking AussieRogue! I wouldn't mind getting my Utah CCP as well. Let me know when you decide to do it.

[PPK]

In Illinois, you can open carry only when hunting or at a range. You can only carry concealed on your own property or place of business. Luckily, I spend more time out of Illinois than in it. My FL non-resident permit lets me carry concealed in most states. I need to get my UT permit next. It would add MN and WA to the list of states.

I do like the look of open carry

[Colt 45]

Hey, I'm one of those people who is not from around here. But, I intend on making New Mexico my home. And, I don't have any of "those" notions. I love the attitude with guns here and feel I fit right in.

Max

It used to not be a big thing but as New Mexico is filling up with people not from around here bringing their notions with them, well, you get the idea. If it was illegal where they came from, it must be illegal here too. I don't want to get off on a rant but it makes me mad when they want to make us conform to their way of doing things when they are the ones who moved here.:mad:

[Jizzle]

I open carry only. I feel it is more of a deterrent that way. And if someone wants your wallet bad enough that he is going to shoot you for it, it doesn't matter if your gun is concealed or not. However, the biggest deterrent to being brought into a bad situation is CONSTANT AWARENESS. A gun is a tool. Your mind saves your life. Is there someone following you? Does something not seem right? Is your sixth sense going off for an unknown reason? You can't defend yourself if you are unaware of the threat. Make yourself a hard target. The definition of a good fight is one that the target didn't realize what just happend. So don't be that guy.

[Colt 45]

Hey Jizzle,

Since you open carry I'll bet you are up on the rules/laws. Can you fill me in or point me where I can get up to date on the limitations?

Max

[Jizzle]

what kind of questions do you have?

there is a site that might be able to help where ever i can't fill in the blanks for you. it's:

www.opencarry.org

Also here are the basic don'ts concerning OC for NM.

Don't carry into anyplace that sells alcohol, no matter if its for consumption on premises or not. 4th degree felony... ouch.

Don't carry into a place that has a 12x12 sign posted that handguns/weapons are not allowed. They will have to prove that you saw the sign, but it's not worth getting a headache over. I just avoid those businesses.

Don't OC anywhere you wouldn't CC is a general rule that will help you out besides the ones i mentioned above.

Lemme know if you have any specific questions. I'll be glad to assist you.

[Bman505]

It doesn't make sense that you can CC in a liquor store but not OC.:confused:

[Jizzle]

ya, no sense at all. in VA you can oc more places than you can CC. for instance a resturant that sells alcohol. you can't cc but you can OC.

[Colt 45]

Thanks for the information. That is what I was looking for. I have never open carried before, but it is nice to know the rules just in case. I had thought that it was illegal to open carry in a liquor store. It doesn't make sense to me either.

Have you ever been stopped and questioned by an LEO?

Max

what kind of questions do you have?

there is a site that might be able to help where ever i can't fill in the blanks for you. it's:

www.opencarry.org

Also here are the basic don'ts concerning OC for NM.

Don't carry into anyplace that sells alcohol, no matter if its for consumption on premises or not. 4th degree felony... ouch.

Don't carry into a place that has a 12x12 sign posted that handguns/weapons are not allowed. They will have to prove that you saw the sign, but it's not worth getting a headache over. I just avoid those businesses.

Don't OC anywhere you wouldn't CC is a general rule that will help you out besides the ones i mentioned above.

Lemme know if you have any specific questions. I'll be glad to assist you.

[Jizzle]

http://www.concealcarrychat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256

check that link colt. but, don't take it as the normal response to OC. Mine was a rather isolated and atypical situation. But, yes i have been stopped by LEOs before.

[Colt 45]

Wow, what a thing to have to go through! I hope that it has worked out in your favor. It was just wrong what happened to you.

I have seen a few people here in Cruces open carrying, and I would have liked to have talked to them about their experiences. So far I have not had the guts to open carry.

Max

http://www.concealcarrychat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256

check that link colt. but, don't take it as the normal response to OC. Mine was a rather isolated and atypical situation. But, yes i have been stopped by LEOs before.

[Jizzle]

its no biggie. it has been educational.

[Bman505]

I am sure it is similar to CC. At first you are nervous that people can see your imprint or that they can tell you are carrying a firearm. After a while that all goes away and you become more comfortable. You would think after a while the nervousness would go away.

[Jizzle]

ya at this point it's like carrying my wallet or wearing my watch. they are both there for a purpose.

[Colt 45]

Soon I am going to get brave and enter the open carry world. I need an address change on my permit.

Max

[Jizzle]

we will talk on saturday colt.

[sinclair]

I think the recent shooting in Richmond, Va is well worth looking at by those participating in this topic area. It was of personal interest to me because I have the biased belief that Open Carry would make you the obvious target by a goblin. (BG on steroids or drugs as was the case here) Note that the Open Carry person was ignored by the goblin at first. Also of interest was that the Open Carry person had a SA 1878 Remington replica (Most likely an Uberti clone) in 45 Colt.

That's just the opening teaser. The more you read, the wilder this incident gets. For rapid details, scroll down to the almost bottom post by KLRANGL.

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=367543

[Bman505]

Here is the story

By Reed Williams

Published: July 15, 2009

Three days after Mustapha Kassou was shot in an attempted robbery in his store in South Richmond, he said that he owed his life to the man who ended the ordeal by shooting the robber.

Yesterday, Kassou returned to Golden Food Market on Jefferson Davis Highway for the first time since he was shot there Saturday afternoon.

Kassou said the masked robber walked into the store shortly after 1 p.m. and seemed startled to see about eight people inside. The robber told everyone to get on the floor, and then he fired at Kassou and hit him twice, he said.

"When the guy shot me, I was waiting for him to finish me," Kassou said. "I was knocked down behind the cash register."

The other armed man pulled a six-shot revolver from his holster and told the robber to drop his weapon, Kassou said. When he didn't, authorities say, the man shot the robber once in the torso, took the robber's gun and called police.

Witnesses told police it appeared the robber ran out of bullets and tried to reload. Some people in the store told the man to finish off the robber, witnesses reported.

"Everyone was telling him to kill him," Kassou said, "but he said, 'I can't do it.'"

Saturday's incident was the second such shooting at the store in a month.

The two shootings at Golden Food and the fatal shooting of a shopkeeper last month in another store just blocks away have alarmed some nearby residents, although police say the number of violent crimes along the Jefferson Davis corridor has been declining since May.

Councilwoman Reva Trammell, whose 8th District includes the corridor, and police Cmdr. Steve Drew will hold a public safety meeting for Jeff Davis-area business owners tonight from 6 to 8 at the Satellite Restaurant, 4000 Jefferson Davis Highway.

Kassou was released from the hospital Sunday, but he was limping and in obvious pain yesterday. He sat inside his store with family members, but he kept the front door locked. He said the shootings have made him scared of almost everyone.

He said he was struggling with whether he should reopen the store. He does not know how he would support his wife and two children if he chooses to keep the store closed.

Kassou said he is considering returning to his native Morocco. He said he is an American citizen and has lived here about 20 years and loves this country.

"It's not worth it anymore," he said, adding that he will arm himself if he reopens the store.

Kassou said he still is alive because of God -- and because of the man who drew a .45-caliber Western-style revolver and ended Saturday's robbery by shooting the gunman.

"He saved a lot of lives," Kassou said. "He was like an angel who came to save everybody."

Authorities say the robber was wounded after he shot Kassou and fired on customers.

Neither Kassou nor the police would identify the man who shot the robber. Authorities said an initial investigation indicates the man acted lawfully when he shot the robber.

Police have charged James Grooms III, 30, of South Richmond with attempted robbery, use of a firearm and possession of a firearm by a felon.

He remained in critical condition last night at VCU Medical Center.

A woman who said she is one of Grooms' relatives declined to comment when reached by phone yesterday.

[Bman505]

I can't believe there are people out there who feel the guy who shot the BG was in the wrong by stopping the crime! This angers me to no other!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Check out some of the things these people are saying. I would love to have had them in the store when this happened and to hear what their comments were then.

http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/thread.aspx?threadid=1193015&boardsparam=Page%3d2

[sinclair]

Here is the story

Yes and no. That's the press version, which is never trustable about these kind of things. The more accurate version is as I referenced above. Example from the press:

The other armed man pulled a six-shot revolver from his holster and told the robber to drop his weapon, Kassou said. When he didn't, authorities say, the man shot the robber once in the torso, took the robber's gun and called police.

From the video:

The account I first referenced is based upon an interview with the "armed man" and the review by a city councilman of the video of the incident (multiple cameras.) The video is just over two minutes. The store owner was shot within seconds of the goblin entering the store. The "armed man" in open carry drew and cocked his "cowboy gun" in far less than a second. Then shouted for the goblin to go passive, then fired the first and ONLY shot WHILE his gun was FULLY functional. He dove for cover as the goblin returned fire and ran back from the proximity of the "armed man". The "armed man" BROKE the TRIGGER of his gun when he landed.

When the goblin started aiming at the people on the floor and in the open, each time the "armed man" would free-hammer (fan) the cowboy gun and not only distract the goblin, but hit him two out of three "fan" shots. Not bad for a broken trigger. The goblin was hit three times with a colt 45, two of the hits fatal. When the goblin ran out of ammo, he first tried to reload but distracted again, he dashed for the "armed man" and they grappled. He grabbed for the cowboy gun but missed, and was bludgeoned by it twice before staggering free and collapsing at the exit. This cowboy gun was just under 4 pounds and also made a good close in weapon. (At this point, about two minutes after the goblin entered, the "armed man" secured the goblin's weapon and dialed 911 from behind the counter.)

See also the heroic story of the store owner, also on the video and my reference above.

He remained in critical condition last night at VCU Medical Center.

Nope. The goblin died of lead poisoning. Another substory is that relatives of the goblin may have publicly threatened the "armed man". Story continues but without the help of the Lying Liberal Press.

[sinclair]

Check out some of the things these people are saying.

I would be very interested, but I keep getting an error on your link that I
cannot fix.

[Deacon Jim]

I would be very interested, but I keep getting an error on your link that I
cannot fix.

I get an error, also and can't view the video.:(

[Bman505]

Sorry, Lets try this one.


http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/thread.aspx?threadid=1193015&boardsparam=Page%3d2

[Deacon Jim]

Sorry, Lets try this one.


http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/thread.aspx?threadid=1193015&boardsparam=Page%3d2

Nope, can't get that one to work either. Maybe it is my system? Not sure.

[sinclair]

Sorry, Lets try this one.


That one works. Now, so does the first one. I see what happened. Yesterday the first link was being read by my browser as the very shortcut in the link post. Now, the shortcut is translating to the full address.

Read all nine pages. Wow, what an education. This needs some understanding and discussion, but where. This topic is Open Carry, not wacked out cheerleaders for thugs.

[Grampa]

Some people must live some very protected lives. I don't subscribe to the theory that it is morally superior to be a perfect, politically correct victim. I don't think anyone else on this forum feels that way either. Seems to me that rolling over for a thug only encourages them to do it again. I really don't care to much about their childhood or socio-economic status when they are occupying themselves with threatening me or my family.

[rtuck77]

I agree, people want to put the blame on anything other than where it belongs,I will not be one of those poeple who will give in to thugs in any. people need to wak up to the fact that some people are just bad and will do anything,so they need to stop blameing everything.

[deadeyedago]

I live in Mich. and I open carry all the time it's my right, I work part time in a retirement home and our storage shed was broken into I went there to check it out and had to call the police for a report, as the cop got out of his car he asked me if I was excerising my right to open carry and I said yes I am. After he took the report he told me he had been on the force for 12 years and I was the first person he has seen to open carry and said he wished more people would open carry. Love that cop

[Colt 45]

Wow, it sounds like we need more LEOs like him! I'm glad your experience has been good, except for your shed getting broken into.

Welcome to the forum!

Max

I live in Mich. and I open carry all the time it's my right, I work part time in a retirement home and our storage shed was broken into I went there to check it out and had to call the police for a report, as the cop got out of his car he asked me if I was excerising my right to open carry and I said yes I am. After he took the report he told me he had been on the force for 12 years and I was the first person he has seen to open carry and said he wished more people would open carry. Love that cop

[Bman505]

Good to hear another LEO in favor of our rights. I have spoken to a lot of LEO's in our area and they are in favor of CC and OC as well. Got to love living in a state like NM and MI.