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Colt 45
12-12-2009, 09:26 PM
A gun case or Pandora's box? (http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/dec/11/a-gun-case-or-pandoras-box-55900250/)

Ken Klukowski and Ken Blackwell

Many have heard about the historic gun rights case going to the Supreme Court. Fewer have heard that this is also a major case for businesses and family values. It could lead to anything from court-ordered Obamacare to same-sex marriage. This is the biggest case of the year, and everyone has a stake in it.

On March 2, the Supreme Court will hear arguments in McDonald v. City of Chicago. It is a gun rights case, challenging Chicago's categorical ban on handguns. The ban is essentially identical to the D.C. gun ban that was struck down by the Supreme Court in the 2008 case D.C. v. Heller, in which the court held that an absolute ban in the federal city violates the Second Amendment.

The question in this case is whether the Second Amendment applies to cities and states as it does to the federal government. The Bill of Rights applies only against actions of the federal government. Most of the Bill of Rights has since been applied to the states (or "incorporated," to use the legal term) by the Fourteenth Amendment. The question in McDonald is whether the right to keep and bear arms is incorporated against the states.

So far, so good. More than 70 percent of Americans think the Constitution gives them a right to own a gun, and more than that think any provision in the Bill of Rights should give Americans rights against cities and states, not just the federal government.

The problem is that this case is more about the Fourteenth Amendment than the Second Amendment. Every provision from the Bill of Rights that has been incorporated to the states thus far has been incorporated through the Fourteenth Amendment Due Process Clause. There are all sorts of reasons that Due Process incorporation is problematic, but it's the way the court has always done it. That's why the National Rifle Association is focusing on this conventional approach in its brief to the court in McDonald v. Chicago.

However, the team representing Otis McDonald is pushing the court to consider a new route and incorporate the right through another provision, called the Privileges or Immunities Clause. Although that may sound like legal mumbo-jumbo, the reality is that it could change forever our system of federal and state government.

The Privileges or Immunities Clause says states cannot enforce any law that abridges the rights of U.S. citizenship. In 1873, just five years after the Fourteenth Amendment was adopted, the Supreme Court held in a landmark case called the Slaughterhouse Cases that this clause only extends to the states the rights of federal citizenship and strongly suggested that such rights must be found in the Constitution's text. The high court thus rejected a claim brought by some Louisiana butchers asking it to strike down a state law regulating the slaughtering of animals around New Orleans.

What's so important about that ruling is that there's nothing in the Constitution about such an economic right. Had the court accepted the butchers' argument and struck down the Louisiana law, federal courts would have the power to declare anything they want to be a right of U.S. citizenship and strike down any state or local law they don't like.

The libertarian lawyers representing Otis McDonald in the current lawsuit acknowledge that their goal is to persuade the court to overrule the Slaughterhouse Cases. Then federal judges could use the Privileges or Immunities Clause to challenge state and local labor laws, commercial laws, employment laws and business regulations across the country.

That would destroy federalism as we know it in this country; life-appointed federal judges could override the decisions made by elected leaders that we, the voters, choose. The people ultimately making those decisions would no longer answer to us.

But that's not the worst of it.

If the court overrules the Slaughterhouse Cases, the Privileges or Immunities Clause can mean anything courts say it means. The Supreme Court could declare a constitutional right to government-provided health care or "decent" housing, a free college education, a "living wage" or a clean environment, resulting in a court-ordered cap-and-trade system.

It also could completely change American culture, with the court having a new basis upon which to declare constitutional rights to abortion, same-sex marriage, obscene material or a child's "right" to a public-school education over his parents' objections. It's because of these social issues, in particular, that the Family Research Council has weighed in on this case.

Although it should be about the Second Amendment, this gun rights case is, instead, a Trojan horse for everything except guns. It could remake America's economy and culture. That's why several conservative groups have weighed in with a brief asking the court to incorporate the Second Amendment through the Privileges or Immunities Clause but to do so without overruling the Slaughterhouse Cases.

McDonald v. Chicago is as big as it gets. All eyes will be on the Supreme Court early next year.

Ken Klukowski is a fellow and senior legal analyst with the American Civil Rights Union and authored the brief mentioned above in the case McDonald v. Chicago. Ken Blackwell is a senior fellow with the Family Research Council and the American Civil Rights Union and is the former U.S. ambassador to the U.N. Human Rights Commission.

Outlaw50
12-13-2009, 06:56 AM
Wow.....IDIOTS.....all of them....where to start....lol
How about a few quotes from this misguided thought process called an article/court case.

The question in this case is whether the Second Amendment applies to cities and states as it does to the federal government. 1) The Bill of Rights applies only against actions of the federal government. 2) Most of the Bill of Rights has since been applied to the states (or "incorporated," to use the legal term) by the Fourteenth Amendment. The question in McDonald is whether the right to keep and bear arms is incorporated against the states.

So far, so good. 3) More than 70 percent of Americans think the Constitution gives them a right to own a gun, and more than that think any provision in the Bill of Rights should give Americans rights against cities and states, not just the federal government.

#1) The bill of Rights "assigns" the job of protecting the named "rights" to the Federal government.........from ANY form of infringement from ANY party or individual.

#2) The 14th Amendment is one big misguided misunderstanding of what the Founders had in mind when they wrote the US Constitution.......it IS a disaster and should never have been ratified.........Anyone who thinks that BECAUSE of the 14th Amendment we should be able to apply the first 10 amendments to the states is thinking upside down......the rights addressed in the first 10 amendments of the US Constitution are already owned by every citizen and once again the federal government is charged with enforcing the protection of these unalienable rights. The distorted view of the court be damned....(3 separate & equal branches)....they are not the arbiter of what the US Constitution means no matter how hard they try to assume that role.

#3) More than 70% of the US population (if the number is accurate) are completely ignorant of the Founders intentions when the US Constitution was written.......They need to look just a little further back to the Declaration of Independence for the clues needed to understand the intentions of the Founders..........One sentence, one thought, one pen put to paper changed the way government should be looked at and the rights of people should be viewed.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.


The follow-up to that sentence is where the function of government is explained and without the understanding of this it is all subject to the interpretation by people with an agenda......the agenda to dominate their fellow men.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

It is essential that all citizens understand the intent of the men who formed the aforementioned thoughts that created this great nation. It is absolutely essential that all citizens understand the concept of unalienable rights and that such rights cannot be granted by other men (or government)but can be protected and preserved by their fellow citizens through the proper use of the necessary evil we call government. It is essential that all citizens do not accept the premise that the scholars, lawyers, & media are trying to assign to this.

Once again the EBTIs* in the court and the media have gotten it wrong...........not a big surprise.

*EBTI = people who are "Educated Beyond Their Intelligence".......pronounced like "ebtide"

Sam
12-13-2009, 11:02 AM
McDonald is bad law and so is incorporation.

It is a pure states rights issue. If the fools in Illinois want to live in a crime infested hole like that good riddance and the bright people can vote with their feet.